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. >> the fbi followed the computer trail that led them to paula broadwell. both broadwell and petraeus admitted they were having an affair after reviewing evidence prosecutors concluded no crimes were committed, but now some members of congress are saying that they or president obama should have been notified that such an investigation was even being conducted. it's curious timing for the conspiracy theorists at fox news. they are still beating the drum on benghazi. petraeus was supposed to testify over the matter. >> based on the evidence we had then, this was the obama administration's watergate. >> officials say petraeus's decision to leave the cia was entirely personal and had nothing to do with benghazi or politics. but that's not how fox news sees it. >> there's not many stories that could knock the president's reelection right out of the headlines. not many. we got one. >> are you assuming that's why they didn't tell the story until after the election? >> the plot thickens. >> the fact that his scandal wasn't mentioned prior to the election, that woul
. >> the fbi followed the computer trail that led them to paula broadwell. both broadwell and petraeus admitted they were having an affair after reviewing evidence prosecutors concluded no crimes were committed, but now some members of congress are saying that they or president obama should have been notified that such an investigation was even being conducted. it's curious timing for the conspiracy theorists at fox news. they are still beating the drum on benghazi. petraeus was supposed...
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so it does raise the question why didn't the fbi -- why did the fbi do the briefing then, only on election day, if the investigation on classified information was still open. >> right. it flies in the face of the reason they supposedly finally did let clapper know. anyway, mike isikoff, thanks very much. >>> up next, if democrats don't get the deal they want, will they let the country go over the fiscal cliff? that's the big question that hangs out there over the president over some democrats. senator patti murray joins me next. on that and how she defied the odds and ended up adding more democrats to the senate. is it one or two? we'll find out in a minute. independents day, the question we all think we know the answer to but maine's senator elect will announce which party he's planning to caucus with. >>> first a look ahead at the schedule of the president. a press conference at 1:30 and then he meets with the ceos after the press conference. you're watching "the daily rundown." the boys use capital one venture miles for their annual football trip. that's double miles you can actually us
so it does raise the question why didn't the fbi -- why did the fbi do the briefing then, only on election day, if the investigation on classified information was still open. >> right. it flies in the face of the reason they supposedly finally did let clapper know. anyway, mike isikoff, thanks very much. >>> up next, if democrats don't get the deal they want, will they let the country go over the fiscal cliff? that's the big question that hangs out there over the president over...
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former cia director general petraeus and an extramarital affair, a florida socialite, a bare chested fbi agent and is this a concern or a washington smoke screen? >> i don't think anyone on either side of the aisle underestimates the difficulties. >> both sides work to gain the high ground in dealing with the looming fiscal cliff, but the media seem to be one-sided in the details. which side do you think they're on? and it's in with the new, but are the old staying, too. >> oh, you've always asked that question except to mitch mcconnell. >> on the panel this week, writer and fox news contributor judy miller. jove oldman, talk radio and jim pinkerton contributing editor the american conservative magazine, and alan colmes, author of thank liberals for saving america and i'm jon scott, fox news watch is on right now. >> this is about the role she played around four dead americans when it seems to be that the story coming out of the administration and she's the point person, is so disconnected to reality, i don't trust her. and the reason i don't trust her is because i think she knew better
former cia director general petraeus and an extramarital affair, a florida socialite, a bare chested fbi agent and is this a concern or a washington smoke screen? >> i don't think anyone on either side of the aisle underestimates the difficulties. >> both sides work to gain the high ground in dealing with the looming fiscal cliff, but the media seem to be one-sided in the details. which side do you think they're on? and it's in with the new, but are the old staying, too. >>...
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when the fbi, yes, worked on crime, but under hoover the fbi worked on politics, too. the agency's efforts in the latter undermined everything the nation needed from the fbi on the former. that's why congress ordered reforms for the fbi after watergate. investigating crime while also secretly playing politics is a combination with a bad outcome. that's one of the things we learned from the scandal of the nixon administration and its downfall, but also from decades watching j. edgar hoover operate. last week we learned general david petraeus had an affair. the fbi discovered that affair over the summer while it was looking into something else. those revelations led to protest from members of congress that they had not been told sooner than last week, along with everyone else. they wanted to be notified about this. ranking democrat on the intelligence committee dianne feinstein says the fbi should have told congress, bipartisan, republican, homeland security committee calms alerting congress in an instance like this the fbi's obligation. lawmakers are sure to demand answ
when the fbi, yes, worked on crime, but under hoover the fbi worked on politics, too. the agency's efforts in the latter undermined everything the nation needed from the fbi on the former. that's why congress ordered reforms for the fbi after watergate. investigating crime while also secretly playing politics is a combination with a bad outcome. that's one of the things we learned from the scandal of the nixon administration and its downfall, but also from decades watching j. edgar hoover...
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the fbi agent was never on the case. he brought the information to the fbi, but he was never part of the original investigation because he was a friend of miss kelley's. >> so what is all this thing about him being frustrated because he wasn't on the case? what was that about? >> he was frustrated because he learned about the information that was being gathered. he brought the original case, he was frustrated that the information about petraeus and broadwell had not come out yet, and he thought that the justice department and the fbi were dragging their feet, so he -- that's why he went to the hill. >> okay. let me get back to david on this, on the military end of this thing. why was petraeus basically forced to resign? why did the matter come to his superior, mr. clapper, head of intelligence -- all the intelligence services? why was it going through channels? why did he get confronted with basically a request to resign? how did that happen if this wasn't criminal, what he was doing? >> because he wasn't on active duty,
the fbi agent was never on the case. he brought the information to the fbi, but he was never part of the original investigation because he was a friend of miss kelley's. >> so what is all this thing about him being frustrated because he wasn't on the case? what was that about? >> he was frustrated because he learned about the information that was being gathered. he brought the original case, he was frustrated that the information about petraeus and broadwell had not come out yet,...
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why would an fbi agent go to him? >> well, he actually went -- a friend of this fbi agent went to a representative from washington state originally. there was some kind of personal connection with the fbi agent's friend and he went to eric cantor. >> i see. >> one thing that's important to say, i mean, you talked about the sex and scandal is apparently the national security concerns have all been knocked down. at this point there don't appear to be from the justice department or from the fbi any national security concerns. >> well, let me go to david wood on that very point. david, your sense of this watching it from above, meaning from the policy level looking at the sordidness of this, what does it mean? it looks like petraeus' career has ended. he did the honorable thing i think in the end by just falling on his sword. that's over with. what about general allen, our commander in afghanistan? this would seem to be somewhat distracting to be sending something like 30,000 e-mails or whatever out. i don't even know how
why would an fbi agent go to him? >> well, he actually went -- a friend of this fbi agent went to a representative from washington state originally. there was some kind of personal connection with the fbi agent's friend and he went to eric cantor. >> i see. >> one thing that's important to say, i mean, you talked about the sex and scandal is apparently the national security concerns have all been knocked down. at this point there don't appear to be from the justice department...
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>> i think we have to let the fbi do their job. they're as good as any investigative agency in the world. they've done an outstanding job in investigations throughout the years. i think we have committees who do focus on their areas of expertise. as an example in the intelligence committee we focus on anything having to do with national security and the oversight of our intelligence communities. but you have other groups -- homeland security, you have other groups that might be focused on something that comes out as a result of this. the most important thing is we let the professionals do the job. we follow the facts and then we then as members of congress come together and make the decisions on what occurred and how things occurred. if you're talking about the benghazi issue we had four americans killed. we have to see whether there were intelligence failures. we have to make sure more importantly that americans who work for the state department or united states, anywhere in the world, are protected. and we want to see based on th
>> i think we have to let the fbi do their job. they're as good as any investigative agency in the world. they've done an outstanding job in investigations throughout the years. i think we have committees who do focus on their areas of expertise. as an example in the intelligence committee we focus on anything having to do with national security and the oversight of our intelligence communities. but you have other groups -- homeland security, you have other groups that might be focused on...
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they passed the information on to the fbi here. there's definitely some real questions about what was the motivation of that fbi agent in reporting that. >> what it comes down with the house and senate intel committee going to vet all of this with hearings, we're going to find out that the right wing is early terribly wrong or they were onto something? that's the way it's going to come down. >> and that maybe the investigation and everything that happened happened the way -- just as a reminder, the protocols in place at the department of justice, he reminded everybody of that under george bush. >> yes, he did. karen finney, thank you. there's a lot more in the next half hour of "the ed show." stay right with us. >> is traditional america gone for good? >> the mayor of cable news cannot believe white men are losing their grip on power. mike and joan will break down his latest tirade. >> mr. obama won the woman vote, blacks and asians but the hispanic vote really nailed romney. it was an entitlement vote this year. >> get up kriss kr
they passed the information on to the fbi here. there's definitely some real questions about what was the motivation of that fbi agent in reporting that. >> what it comes down with the house and senate intel committee going to vet all of this with hearings, we're going to find out that the right wing is early terribly wrong or they were onto something? that's the way it's going to come down. >> and that maybe the investigation and everything that happened happened the way -- just as...
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last night fbi agents searched paula broadwell's home, the home she shares with her family. she had given them permission to go into the home. they took out boxes and apparently photo es. joining me now is jim frederick, editor at "time" magazine. i heard people joke about this and all the salacious titles. but at the heart of this are some serious and legitimate conce concerns. the president not making any huge pronouncements, but starting with general allen here, the e-mails were exchanged over a two-year span. his confirmation is being held up. that's a big deal. >> it's a huge deal. the story is changing by the hour. every hour there are new allegations as pertains to general allen. 20 to 30,000 pages worth of documents. first 30,000 e-mails. you think that's not the case because it would be mathematically impossible. but how much time is he spending as the commander of the war in afghanistan e-mailing this woman. that's one of the central issues to sort out is how distracted is this general from what is supposed to be his main job, which is winning the war in afghanista
last night fbi agents searched paula broadwell's home, the home she shares with her family. she had given them permission to go into the home. they took out boxes and apparently photo es. joining me now is jim frederick, editor at "time" magazine. i heard people joke about this and all the salacious titles. but at the heart of this are some serious and legitimate conce concerns. the president not making any huge pronouncements, but starting with general allen here, the e-mails were...
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we had the fbi and i believe the national center for counterterrorism also giving briefings. >> paul: that's right. >> saying this. why was general petraeus's testimony then so at odds with other parts of the community? >> but does this, would this give-- what does it mean for, say, susan rice and the administration then? is this, does this help them politically by shielding them or does petraeus here saying i thought it was a terrorist attack, does that mean this puts, for example, susan rice's statements more up to scrutiny? >> well, i think answers the fundamental question, did they deliberately mislead on this case for political reasons because they were driving the narrative that al-qaeda had been decimated and the war, war was receding or a question of incompetence. neither of those two things is good for the administration although it's after the election, so, they can get the consequences. >> let's take a look at the president talking about susan rice, the u.n. ambassador who many think he will nominate to succeed hillary clinton as secretary of state. >> for them to go after
we had the fbi and i believe the national center for counterterrorism also giving briefings. >> paul: that's right. >> saying this. why was general petraeus's testimony then so at odds with other parts of the community? >> but does this, would this give-- what does it mean for, say, susan rice and the administration then? is this, does this help them politically by shielding them or does petraeus here saying i thought it was a terrorist attack, does that mean this puts, for...
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a shirtless fbi agent. tonight, the scandal that cost general david petraeus his job as the head of the cia got even more intense when yet another four star general found himself in the middle of it all. that general's name is john allen and he is the top commander in afghanistan. the one who replaced the other general who just resigned. it's an awful mess and like any web it's tough to follow. tonight, we will sort it all out. last night, the then cia director david petraeus resigned when word broke that he had had an affair with his biographer paula broadwell that affair surfaced after the fbi started investigating paula broadwell for allegedly sending threatening emails to another woman. that woman's name is jill kelli. she a friend of david petraeus family. a wealthy, married socialite with lots of ties to military bigs in tamp parks home of central command. jill kelley's family is lebanese american. they immigrated from lebanon during the 1970s. during the fbi's broadwell investigation, agents uncovere
a shirtless fbi agent. tonight, the scandal that cost general david petraeus his job as the head of the cia got even more intense when yet another four star general found himself in the middle of it all. that general's name is john allen and he is the top commander in afghanistan. the one who replaced the other general who just resigned. it's an awful mess and like any web it's tough to follow. tonight, we will sort it all out. last night, the then cia director david petraeus resigned when word...
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is this really what the fbi -- what we want the fbi doing? don't they have more important things they ought to be doing? than people's sex lives? come on. number one. i don't know why the fbi's involved. number two, i don't know why petraeus felt that he had to resign. he wasn't forced out. he offered ois his ignore -- he offered his resignation. as a country we put sex and human frailty up and put too much importance on it. there's no reason, i believe for david petraeus to have to resign. david vitter is still in the united states senate. newt gingrich ran for president. he's a serial adulter. i'm not saying it's right. i'm saying this one affair and petraeus, we could not accept petraeus as the c.i.a. director? was he a good general? yeah, he was a great general. did he do a good job in iraq? he did a great job at iraq. was was he doing a good job at the c.i.a.? yes. end of story. we place too much importance on this. it just seems to me as americans we were still living in the victorian age and that's why petraeus felt that he had to resi
is this really what the fbi -- what we want the fbi doing? don't they have more important things they ought to be doing? than people's sex lives? come on. number one. i don't know why the fbi's involved. number two, i don't know why petraeus felt that he had to resign. he wasn't forced out. he offered ois his ignore -- he offered his resignation. as a country we put sex and human frailty up and put too much importance on it. there's no reason, i believe for david petraeus to have to resign....
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everything from his initial reaction to how this was handled by the fbi. so first to the point of his initial reaction, if you take white house press secretary jay carney's briefing yesterday as a guide that gives you a sense that president obama will likely talk about that fact that he was stunned. he'll likely also thank general petraeus for his service to the country and also express his continued support of general allen while this investigation is ongoing. in terms of this other big question that lawmakers have been talking about quite a bit, this question of when president obama was informed about the entire situation, i think that you will hear president obama essentially defer those questions to the fbi. essentially not question the fbi's handling of this situation. that is what i expect. anyway, thomas, based on carney's briefing that we heard yesterday. this is such a stunning situation, because, remember, this is the last thing that president obama was expecting to talk about during his first press conference, what he intended to be focusing on,
everything from his initial reaction to how this was handled by the fbi. so first to the point of his initial reaction, if you take white house press secretary jay carney's briefing yesterday as a guide that gives you a sense that president obama will likely talk about that fact that he was stunned. he'll likely also thank general petraeus for his service to the country and also express his continued support of general allen while this investigation is ongoing. in terms of this other big...
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lawmakers were set to be briefed by the fbi today on capitol hill. they have a lot of questions about all of this. why did no one inform congress or the white house that the director of the cia was currently under investigation. big question mark over that. doug, what's the latest on this today? >> developments continue to come in fast and furiously. catherine herridge is reporting some key lawmakers are openly questioning the veracity of david petraeus' testimony when he said the attack was a flash mob. and a demonstration that spun out of control. with that explanation overwhelmingly rejected many on the hill say it's vital that petraeus testify. >> i would like to hear from him within the next week or so. there is so much to learn. he has just gotten back from a trip over there. the american people have a right to know. >> reporter: investigators wants to explore whether he may have molded his briefing to the white house narrative to keep them from exposing his affair. martha: doug, obviously a lot of people on the hill as we just saw senator barr
lawmakers were set to be briefed by the fbi today on capitol hill. they have a lot of questions about all of this. why did no one inform congress or the white house that the director of the cia was currently under investigation. big question mark over that. doug, what's the latest on this today? >> developments continue to come in fast and furiously. catherine herridge is reporting some key lawmakers are openly questioning the veracity of david petraeus' testimony when he said the attack...
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how to the fbi have been investigating it for this long? and if the general was involved, to me, if it was, the fbi director had the obligation to tell the head of the council at the earliest date. seems to have been going on for several months, but now it seems the fbi did not realize it until election day? it just does not add up, you have this kind of investigation, the fbi investigating e-mails, taking four months to find out that the cia director was involved? i have real questions about this. the time line has to be analyzed to see what happened. >> it looks like general petraeus will not be testifying this week at the hearings that we talked about on the september 11 incident in benghazi. here is the headline -- "lawmakers have questions." host: we're getting your fallout this morning from all the papers. this from christine -- host: below that, denise rights in simply "cover up." finally, there's madeleine, who writes -- host: like i said, we are getting your thoughts this morning. we will go now to ryan, from houston, texas. good m
how to the fbi have been investigating it for this long? and if the general was involved, to me, if it was, the fbi director had the obligation to tell the head of the council at the earliest date. seems to have been going on for several months, but now it seems the fbi did not realize it until election day? it just does not add up, you have this kind of investigation, the fbi investigating e-mails, taking four months to find out that the cia director was involved? i have real questions about...
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the fbi discovered the affair months ago after jill kelly, a petra friend went to the fbi began receiving threatening e-mails from another woman. she was concerned someone was blackmailing petraeus. some question why the fbi didn't notify top members of congress before the shocking announcement. lawmakers question the timing of the resignation as cia director petraeus was supposed to testify before congress about the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. instead, cia director michael morrell will be questioned about the attack that killed chris stevens and three other americans. former cia director michael hayden said at some point petraeus should testify. >> general pet tray cause -- petraeus have personal insight because he visited libya after the attack and those owes. the timing it is mysterious. >> reporter: fox news learned that paula broadwell may have revealed classified information during a speech at her alma mater, the university of den verb. in that speech she suggests that petraeus knew almost immediately the attack was a terror attack possibly to free militia members. >>
the fbi discovered the affair months ago after jill kelly, a petra friend went to the fbi began receiving threatening e-mails from another woman. she was concerned someone was blackmailing petraeus. some question why the fbi didn't notify top members of congress before the shocking announcement. lawmakers question the timing of the resignation as cia director petraeus was supposed to testify before congress about the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. instead, cia director michael...
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fbi crashed through. first of all, they launch a -- they use their cyber unit to launch an investigation on half dozen e-mails talking about a purported affair. they launch a cyber investigation there. and then they start digging in and they have to go into a private citizen's e-mail account. and so they go into paula broadwell's private e-mail accounts, they've crashed through a wall there. the facts as we know it do not justify other than somebody wants to embarrass david petraeus. >> right. >> and then they get into paula broadwell's e-mails, then break down another wall to get into david petraeus' e-mail account. and then they justify that and break down that wall and say, well, you know, national security may have been compromised because maybe she sent along classified documents, but she didn't, so there, somebody responsible at the fbi has to say, okay, guys, you know what? nothing to see here. it's internal investigation, you know, petraeus may be acting up, but this is no longer a crime. they sai
fbi crashed through. first of all, they launch a -- they use their cyber unit to launch an investigation on half dozen e-mails talking about a purported affair. they launch a cyber investigation there. and then they start digging in and they have to go into a private citizen's e-mail account. and so they go into paula broadwell's private e-mail accounts, they've crashed through a wall there. the facts as we know it do not justify other than somebody wants to embarrass david petraeus. >>...
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representatives from the defense department, the joint chiefs of staff, national counterterrorism center and the fbi. all players in the room. a democratic aide tells cnn that seven out of nine democratic committee members attended the meeting and just three out of eight republicans showed up. so where was john mccain while his fellow committee members were being given details on benghazi? he was holding a press conference. complaining about the lack of details on benghazi. mccain's office says the senator missed the briefing due to a scheduling error. today, mccain was asked about his absence and the senator got a little testy. he says "i have no comment about my schedule and i'm not going to comment on how i spend my time to the media." hmm. and it got more contentious from there. >> i have no further comment. i have no further comment. how many times do i -- because i have the right as a senator, i have no comment. who the hell are you to tell me? >> joining me now is richard wolffe, msnbc political analyst, and vice president and executive editor of msnbc.com. he seems like he's on a mission jus
representatives from the defense department, the joint chiefs of staff, national counterterrorism center and the fbi. all players in the room. a democratic aide tells cnn that seven out of nine democratic committee members attended the meeting and just three out of eight republicans showed up. so where was john mccain while his fellow committee members were being given details on benghazi? he was holding a press conference. complaining about the lack of details on benghazi. mccain's office says...